Top 10 Reasons Why Taiwan is Independent
Happy New Year everyone! I thought I’d usher in the year of the rat with the top 10 reasons Taiwan is independent from China.
Taiwan’s independence from China is an extremely puzzling issue to many people I know. The China – Taiwan conflict as it were, seems to be mostly about bullying from China and not about peaceful reunification. Hundreds of missiles line the coast of China aimed at parts of Taiwan as conspicuous proof of this threat to the people of Taiwan.
Outside of the United States ‘commitment’ to democracy elsewhere in the world, Taiwan lies neglected in words yet still remains a sovereign nation. If the US could go into Iraq for the sake of democracy, then why can’t they just say Taiwan is an independent country and fight to protect it and its 23 million plus citizens? The issues are too much for me to go on, but I have made a top ten list of reasons that Taiwan IS independent from China.
# 10
Ang Lee 李安
Ang Lee is one of Hollywood’s best directors and has received an academy award for Brokeback Mountain. He has received numerous other awards for some of his other films. Here is a filmography for Ang Lee. He was born in Tainan, Taiwan.
1992 Pushing Hands 推手
1993 The Wedding Banquet 喜宴
1994 Eat Drink Man Woman 飲食男女
1995 Sense and Sensibility 理性與感性
1997 The Ice Storm 冰風暴
1999 Ride with the Devil 與魔鬼共騎
2000 Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon 臥虎藏龍
2002 The Hire
2003 Hulk 綠巨人
2005 Brokeback Mountain 斷背山
2007 Lust, Caution 色，戒
2009 A Little Game
# 9
Jimmy Wang (Chien – Ming Wang)
Jimmy Wang is Taiwan’s most popular athlete both in Taiwan and internationally. He plays Americas favorite sport (the national pastime) for the most famous team (the New York Yankees) and does it on a high level. He was also born in Tainan, Taiwan.
# 8
Taiwan Beer
Taiwan beer has been enjoyed by many a Taiwanese since it was first brewed in 1920. It is the national beer in Taiwan. Its not called China beer. Taiwan Beer is also the name of a basketball team in Taiwan’s super basketball league.
# 7
Simplified Chinese vs Traditional Chinese
Taiwan is one of the last remaining bastions that still use traditional Chinese characters. Here is an example of a question written in both simplified Chinese and traditional Chinese.
Why is Taiwan Independent?
台灣為什麼有獨立? Traditional
台湾为什么有独立? Simplified
# 6
The Taiwanese Flag
Every country in the world needs their own flag. Maybe that’s why some Chinese overseas get so angry and try to take the flags away from athletes at sporting events.
# 5
Currency
Taiwan has their own currency and does not use the currency of the People’s Republic of China. The NT dollar is currently trading near NT 32 for every US dollar.
# 4
The Taiwanese Military
China is the biggest military threat to Taiwan currently, and Taiwan has a modern army to protect itself (along with a promise and a box of chocolates from America). Every male in Taiwan serves a mandatory tour in Taiwan’s military.
#3
Taiwan has democratically elected officials
The Taiwanese people vote for their president and legislature in what can only be described as democratic elections. Sure, vote buying still occurs but the officials are not promoted into power through nepotism, favors, or old men that smell like cigars and fried chicken. One funny thing about Taiwan that has given its parliament a black eye is that they regularly brawl.
# 2
Some countries DO recognize Taiwan as a country
Taiwan has business relations with so many countries including China, however they still have the balls to not recognize them as a country. They don’t mind buying up their computer chips though. Here is a list of countries that have formal relations with Taiwan.
Africa (4)
* Burkina Faso
* Gambia
* São Tomé and Príncipe
* Swaziland
Europe (1)
* Vatican City
Oceania (6)
* Kiribati
* Marshall Islands
* Nauru
* Palau
* Solomon Islands
* Tuvalu
Americas (12)
* Belize
* Dominican Republic
* El Salvador
* Guatemala
* Haiti
* Honduras
* Nicaragua
* Panama
* Paraguay
* Saint Kitts and Nevis
* Saint Lucia
* Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
#1
The Real Taiwan
This website is a tribute to Taiwan (not China!) in all of its glory! Good or bad, Taiwan is my home and also the issuer of my visa and Alien Resident Certificate. I have never dealt with China or the Chinese government regarding any issues of residency, insurance, taxes or licenses.
How can Taiwan be considered a part of China? This list could go on but there is no reason for me to waste any more time writing about this. The world doesn’t seem to care about little Taiwan, especially at the thought of angering mother China, the fat, hungry warlord that she is.
Shame on you America and other countries that use the spread of democracy as solid reasoning to invade other sovereign nations but refuse to stand up fully or at all for Taiwan, which already has chosen democracy.
Shame on you France for pretending to be cool and then going to bed with China and coming out against Taiwan, and also doing joint military exersizes with them.
Please remember, there is only 1 Taiwan!
yes sir, taiwan is a great country and i think it should stay independant!
Nice video clips. Good list!
I’m not convinced the US went into Iraq for the sake of democracy though. It’$ all about the Benjamin$!
It seems crystal clear doesn’t it?
It seems clear that the current administration in Washington cares little for democracy either at home or abroad. I’m hoping that an Obama Whitehouse (who got some of his education in Indonesia) may have more respect for democracy, will get us out of the Iraq fiasco and committ some resources to protecting true democracies!
Having been to Indonesia several times, I laugh at the thought of most Americans even trying to visualize how life is over there. Anyway, back to your comment –
Let’s hope that the coming change in government will do more than lip service to countries that already support democracy.
Fuck taiwanese
Wow! Glad you could make it and add a constructive comment to the mix. You could change the world with that attitude!
TaiWan is a part of China.It is a fact that no one can change. I love China,and also TaiWan! Please don’t be independent.
I have listed several reasons why Taiwan is in fact independent. If you could back your statement up with some facts that would at least make your comment more interesting.
I support Taiwan Independence!!
Do not say shame on france,
just shame on french president.
He lost a lot of popularity because of that issue.
France has a long tradition of democracy as switzerland does (I am bi-national).
French people didn’t support their president on that.
I can not see your logic. You only listed ten great things about Taiwan, not reasons for Taiwan to be independent. You got to think it a bit more to make your title right. In your logic, if I listed one hundred great people or things about California, then California should be independent? It does not make any sense!
Plus, think a little bit about what Taiwan will be like once it is independent. Not far from independent Taiwan is a China. If Taiwan is independent, Taiwan will lose all its business and oppotunities to improve the ecnomics.
I can not see any harm for Taiwan to be together with China. I mean compare what Taiwanese will lose and what they will get, you hardly see reasons for Taiwan to be separated from China. Hongkong is a good example.
All in all, I think union is better for people. No barriers, no walls, no visa hassles. European Union is a good example there. You do not need to get all kinds of visa to travel all the Europe. One chopstick is very weak to be broken, but ten or hundreds of chopsticks will be impossible to others to break. So bigger, stronger. Is it right?
I listed some great things about Taiwan (thank you for acknowledging it as Taiwan) as well as some concrete reasons why it is independent. Does having a separate military, democratically elected officials, currency, flag, and other countries that identifying them as a separate autonomous nation count as solid logic?
I can think about what it will be like when it is independent because it is independent now. It’s just semantics. Have a look at Tibet on possible reasons Taiwan can be harmed by accepting China with open arms. It is a complex issue no doubt, and there will always need to be a great understanding between the two countries, but they can be officially considered as separate and work together.
Just some thoughts here in regards some of the mails re: Taiwan’s Independence….everyone is bringing good points to the table here and as it has been stated this is a very complex issue….maybe more so that we know. First, and foremost ( I believe before economics or all else )…what type or form of government do we adopt here in Taiwan in the event of reunification with China? Do we adopt China’s form of Communism and acknowledge the Central gov’t in Beijing. Should we cast aside the political processes in place here now as imperfect as they may be? Do we leave things kind of in place as they did in Hong Kong, yet know where the real power lies. How will this effect the economy here which is already capitalistic and not communist in form or substance. Can the Taiwanese and indirectly foreigners here expect the same freedoms already available to them, or, will the powers that be make sure things never get out of control again. Very, very intense and emotional isuues to be sure along with many others. Last I heard regardless, most Taiwanese still favor independence. Granted it was not easy in 1776, but admittedly much more diffucult in 2008.
Kim David Carpenter
Yes, it is. I agree independence of Taiwan is much more complex than we can imagine. However, the bottom line is: whether or not independence will improve Taiwan’s economy , bring Taiwanese good life. Independence or not is not dependent on 10 great things Taiwan has. ( Please, the flag of Taiwan is not called Taiwan’s flag, it’s called Republic of China!)
Due to the great developing of China mainland, I don’t think it’s a good time for Taiwan to pursue independence now. It definitely will lead to bad things–war, which is not preferred.
In my mind, if I am a Taiwanese, I will wait. Since right now, Chinese government does not have power over Taiwan. Taiwan is out the reach of them. No need to provoke Chinese government to solve Taiwan problem. Taiwan should maintain the current situation. In the future, I am sure China mainland’s democracy or communism will achieve great improvement until when it is equally with Taiwan’s situation. Then it is a good time to ask for independence or merging into Big China.
In my mind, the word “Taiwan” is in the same meaning of “Hongkong”. It does not stand for a country, it only stands for a famous place name like Hawaii. Politically, i still think Taiwan is part of big “China”. Taiwanese have no differences with Chinese. Same skin color, same language, same culture, similar food, and very close to China mainland.
Please, do not use Tibet as a support, especially for “Taiwanese”. Sometimes I am kind of angry about some Americans to argue about Tibet. Americans are intruders too! And much more severe than Chinese. Back to 1900′s, Indians are called pigs rather than human. Indians lost almost all of their land and now only live in some so called reserved part of USA.
To my knowlege, same as Tibet situation, so called “Taiwanese” is original from China mainland and intruded Taiwan Island and originally plan to use Taiwan island as a base to go back to China mainland some day in the future. Back to those days, those “local” Taiwanese were also killed or suppressed by immigrated goverment from China mainland. So as an intruder, you got no reason to be proud of yourself, to say something about Tibet .
Let me ask you some questions: where are your grandfather ( or grand-grand father ) and grandmother originally from? Taiwan island or China mainland? On your passport, is there a word called “China”? Is the character you use called “Chinese”? In your blood, you are from China mainland, no matter how you do not like it.
All in all, please consider one thing I said in previous comment—-united. Note, I was not saying Taiwan should completely accept Chinese government right now. I think now is not good for Taiwan either. I think the new president of Taiwan, Ma, is a wise man, compared with the former one. He can see through the time that to pursue so called independence is no good for Taiwan’s development. ( It only gives u a good feeling of independence.) Chinese government, in my mind, they just wanna claim Taiwan as a part of China, but they still can not lay a hand on Taiwan now. Taiwan is still in separation from Chinese government. Currently things turn to bad is because the current president wants to claim independence and want a seat in UN. So Chinese government starts to fear to lose Taiwan and then distribute soldiers close to Taiwan island. So right now, no one is harming Taiwanese, no one is pushing Taiwan to be independent or not! I am sure China will not go to a war with Taiwan if Taiwan does not want a declared independence.
So why you guys desperately want to be independent right now? Why not wait until some good time, until China mainland turns to be more democratic? Why desperately want a judge about a country name which will not bring you economic development and even will harm your economic health? I think it is no meaning. Think about the independence of USA back to 1770′s, they are not only seeking a name of country. They want to be independent because they are exploited and oppressed by England. Is Chinese government is exploiting and oppressing Taiwan now? I do not think so.
So before you publish something online saying independence, please think it a bit more: Is independence really good for Taiwan? What will it bring to Taiwan? If Taiwan is oppressing by Chinese government, I will strongly support Taiwan to be independent! But it is not true.
Right now, I guess you got a great president, Ma, whose opinion about Taiwan’s future is really good. So keeping solving Taiwan’s own problem: economics, education, or whatever you got, instead of pursuing such nonsense independent thing will bring Taiwan stronger and brighter. That’s all we hope, isn’t it?
So before you publish something online saying independence, please think it a bit more: Is independence really good for Taiwan? What will it bring to Taiwan? If Taiwan is oppressing by Chinese government, I will strongly support Taiwan to be independent! But it is not true.
Right now, I guess you got a great president, Ma, whose opinion about Taiwan’s future is really good. So keeping solving Taiwan’s own problem: economics, education, or whatever you got, instead of pursuing such nonsense independent thing will bring Taiwan stronger and brighter. That’s all we hope, isn’t it?
Right now, I guess you got a great president, Ma, whose opinion about Taiwan’s future is really good. So keeping solving Taiwan’s own problem: economics, education, or whatever you got, instead of pursuing such nonsense independent thing will bring Taiwan stronger and brighter. That’s all we hope, isn’t it
Sorry about the repeating posts. I got rejected sometimes.
Regards,
Hey, guys, want to know why there are “Some countries DO recognize Taiwan as a country” ?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/03/AR2008050301600.html?hpid=topnews
Clark, I have to be honest here I am getting sick of your incessant ranting here. You still don’t acknowledge that Taiwan is independent of China, even though it is true. Why in the world would there even be this argument if it weren’t true (rhetorical question. Do not send another 7 comments to respond). Are you working for the Chinese government or something?
The flag is Taiwan’s flag. So what if it is called the ROC flag. China is willing to kill innocent people if the name is changed. May as well be sane and keep it the way it is. It isn’t China’s flag, it is Taiwan’s. They are clearly different.
You never mention anything about the democratically elected government, currency, which is called NTD, or New Taiwanese Dollars.
Even in this article you brought up, it clearly states and I quote:
…often called dollar diplomacy, used by Taiwan and China in their relentless struggle over diplomatic recognition. In recent years, Taiwan has fared poorly in the contest, reduced to 23 countries — most of them small and impoverished…
This means that China is willing to pay more an d offer better deals.
The biggest thing about Taiwan and China is the PR battle that is developing, and you are not welcome to keep posting posts here without reading or understanding what is posted by others. You are part of an evil machine, MR. Clark Dean (and I challenge that you are not who you claim to be).
I totally agree with something being just not “right” here…especially since the main emphasis of Mr. Clark’s arguement that Taiwan should not independent is that it would hurt us economically. It might be very true, but a poor reason of why a country should not aspire to be in dependent. If that were in fact the case historically….there might not ever have been a USA which I believe you claim to be from. Before the Revolutionary War it could be agrued sucessfully that the colonies were “economically” better off remaining…just that…colonies, and should have never even contemplated “independence” which you have equated with economic suicide. We did in fact do just fine …
Dear Kim David Carpenter,
Very glad you have this kind of strong feelings about my post.
However I have no idea why you are so angry about my argument:
1. I apologized that I posted about 8 posts with some repeating. Have u read that?
2. I did not “claim” I am from USA. The flag is just being added by this server using my IP address which is USA. I am from China mainland.
3. I cannot see any reason that I should use my true name. Who knows what you guys will do to me. I still hope that some day I will have chance to go to Taiwan. I like Taiwan, culture, food, and people.
4. Since this is a public topic, and you post your opinions this independence of Taiwan thing, I assume you are open for any opinions from others, either same or different. But it seems like you do not like opinions or arguments against yours, which is, in my mind, a little bit undemocratic.
5. You even make some statement to try to assault me personally. That’s not a clever move. I am not working for any kind of bowshit government. And personally I am against the formation of country, which set non-sense barriers between people.
Interesting, I cannot post my arguments anymore. You block it??? This is called democracy? So ironic.
Anyway, I got to finish my last reply.
1. Your logic is somehow making non-sense. An argument being brought up, is because it is not very true yet. Otherwise there is no need to argue about that, which is what we are doing now. Will somebody argue about the independence of China mainland from Taiwan??? probably not.
2. China is called People’s republic of China. Don’t mess with that. About the statement ” China is willing to kill innocent people if the name is changed”, I take that as a joke, since Taiwan government will also kill innocent people if Taiwan’s name is changed. Where is Taiwan’s Flag from?? Have you looked that through history??
3. Do you have a passport? What’s the name of “country” on your passport. Is it not called ” Republic of China “?? Does that stand for Taiwan or China???? At least my Taiwanese friends are using this kind of passport.
4. Why should I mention the currency and government?
5. Why am I a part of an evil machine?? That is so ridiculous. I am just a person that posted some arguments about your non-logic opinions. What makes you say that? Are you saying Chinese government is evil? If so, Taiwan has already been destroyed by vessels. Do not naively think USA will protect you. They just want to make Taiwan buy more weapons from them. Can’t you see that?
In all, it seems like you are not serious about the discussion of this topic. Too many personal assaulting. I will not take your words as a standing of Taiwan. Again, I am here to just talk about this special issue between Taiwan and China mainland, no harmful or so called “government-controlled” purpose. But the result turns out to be very disappointing. You guys always want to push your opinions into others mind to make them believe that. That’s not the spirit of democracy. I challenge your statement of ” Taiwan is democratic”. Even me, as a person from non-democratic system, knows how to fairly and openly make a discussion with out personal attack.
Peace will stand. War is no good. Please do not push a war. Hope some day Taiwan and China mainland will be together to seek the beautiful future. That’s all I stand on.
Clark Dean,
This site has a spam filter, and your comments all get picked up there so it takes a little while before I see them to approve them. It is not me censoring, and if you notice all of your many comments have been posted.
You are welcome to have a discussion, but first I challenge you to look at all the points made, understand them, and then reply. Don’t just attack me for having a post with some good qualities about Taiwan. There are a few of them listed, but there are too many concrete reasons that you keep ignoring.
Regarding Taiwan killing innocent people if the name is changed, that would only happen if China attacked them. What about all of the missiles pointed at my home now? That is a clear threat, and threats are assault. Of course Taiwan won’t attack China unless it is in self defense. China, on the other hand, in its desire for regional hegemony will not accept Taiwan officially claiming what it already has, and that is independence from the mainland.
I don’t ask people to put there true identity here, but it really looked like you were attempting to see m like an American with that name and the little flag that shows up by your comments. I knew by your typos that you weren’t though, and likely to be Chinese and/or working with the Chinese government.
To be honest, I think the Chinese government gets a lot of bad press for its bad deeds, as opposed to other countries that get less press for their bad deeds, but that still doesn’t make them the rightful government in Taiwan.
Why does it matter to China at all that Taiwan is a part of it or not? That is a big question, but it doesn’t answer the reality of the current situation.
I believe Taiwan wants peace, but who do you know that would accept peace with a gun to their head demanding acceptance of a desire or war? Taiwan is not pushing war. It is China. This is a fact, and if you have an alternative opinion, then it is just that. When did Taiwan threaten war or pass legislation to fight China?
Ok. This is all for a while. I hope that you will really read what these words say, and try to understand this side.
Mr. Dean ( for lack of your real name ),
I don’t recall attacking you personally…I never would…its not in my nature. You must admit, you did misrepresent yourself instead of being upfront about where you are from as opposed to where you might be at present. My name IS Kim David Carpenter…I presently live in Taiwan and may do so for an extended period if not permanently. I am from the US and not ashamed of my country even though its governmental policies run counter to m ost of my beliefs…I really don’t do politics….too messy most of the time. I am very sure that there are many people who love China and deep down inside are really not too crazy about their governments policies either. After reading all your posts the one statement that stands out the most is the following “I cannot see any reason that I should use my true name. Who knows what you guys will do to me”. To me that sums up the difference between being raised in a democracy and raised under a regime of fear where you cannot speak out. Nobody hear professes to do you any harm…I find it insulting that you might even think that, but you cannot be blamed I suppose. I hope your time in the US and maybe other “free” societies teaches you the differences in our basic values….good luck.
hey guys… damn.. chill out and go smoke a blunt. what will happen will happen no amount of arguing on a forum will solve anything. peace..
Come on. I already said I had no right to change my ” little flag”, it is picked up by your system automatically!!!! Should I say that again?? Have I pretended to be an American?? Haha, You even did not read through my post! How can you demand me to understand all you said???
Is ” you are part of an evil machine” not a personal attacking?
About the statement: ” I cannot see any reason that I should use my true name. Who knows what you guys will do to me”. is not worry about whether I will be harmed personally. I worry about my travel to Taiwan some day in the future. There is no absolute democracy, for god’s sake, even in USA, 80% of phone call is being spied by government. Even you do not want to block me, What Taiwan government thinks I am a spy or something? Can you ensure me that I could go to Taiwan freely after I released my true name?
Indeed, I have good luck to travel to another country to learn something good. That’s why I want to go to another country. Before you say that country or government bad or not, you have to do that, you have to go there, to see what you can see, to ask what you care about. That’s the reason I want to go to Taiwan too. Have you heard any words I said about “Taiwan government is evil”? No. Because I cannot say that before I actually go there to see the truth. So please before you say ” I am part of an evil machine”, you should go to China to see if all the Chinese people are in deep shit. What you heard and saw is filtered by media or government. So if you want to understand the truth of Tibet or something else, please go some research or go there to see, before you say it is “evil”.
About human rights in China, I know it is nasty. However compare to human rights, there are nastier things for government to solve: poor ecnomics, bad education, pollution, etc. Can you see that? If these problems on your lists, which one you want to fix first??
About the typoes, I admit I did a bad job on that. I am trying to make it better. Thanks for reminding me of that.
About who are pushing the war, I think we both had some mistake. You say China is pointing a gun to Taiwan. But I am wondering the situation before that. Before China distribute a huge amount of army there, what Taiwan did? To my knowledge, Taiwan is planning to ask for a seat in UN in 2008 since it is the time of Olympic when China cannot use army. That’s the start of this tense situation. It is not China who was pointing a gun to force Taiwan to do that. About China’s purpose. I think it is very clear. Once Taiwan is back to China, American’s army cannot go closed to China’s mainland freely, which is a big worry of US. So go down deep, Taiwan problem is actually US trying to surround China. If you are not satisfied by this answer, go to do some research about the Asian strategy of US government.
As you said, Taiwan is seeking peace NOW! Not before! Look at how many weapons Taiwan bought from US in the last 2 or 3 years!!
Sum it up. Glad to discuss this with you, Mr Carpenter. All I want to say to you is: please look it all-sided, before you say it is good or bad.
I like ” Taiwanese girl” ‘s quote.
I’ suppose that Clark Dean is a typical NOT learned people about history and who confuse many things and cannot understand the difference between democratic union and obliged union (like POPULAR China want to Taiwan). If this Clark Dean, speaking like a popular chinese, know the history of Taiwan, most probably would change ideas.”Erudiscite pueri, aut sine historiae conoscentia vita vacua est !”
First of all, if you are a French, I thank you care about relationship between china mainland and Taiwan, no matter whether or not you have good intention.
Please forgive me about my rudeness, if I was a French, I would not dare to say anything about eastern history. You know why? If you know that and are not proud of that, you will do the same thing.
Sorry, I admit I can not read French. Please use something everyone can understand. Otherwise, shut up, please.
Also I admit I am not sure about the history I know about Taiwan, China, or even the whole World.
However, I just want to let this ” Marius miles italicus ” ask himself: are u sure the history you know about Taiwan, about China, or even France is correct, unfiltered by government?
One thing I am pretty sure: every government, including those so called ” free speaking, democratic country”, try their best to educate their people to love their own country, to believe their country is the best. Personally I think this behavior is stupid. Because the people will keep mixing concept of country with that of government. Government is not equal to Country!
Talking about the history, I just want to ask this ” Marius miles italicus”, if you are a French, how much do you know about the ugly history of your own country/government? Do you know how much treasure were robbed from China by your own country/government? Do you support that? What is your feeling about that?
If you do not know or feel bad about those history, then I am sure the history you know is filtered by your government. Then please shut up!
I guess you did not read through all my post. All I want to say is not about union. It is about the development of both side. Is union better or separation better? Can you tell me??? Also I was not saying Taiwan should accept the political system of China. Personally I think it needs improvement either! If something proves that Taiwan’s system is better for the whole China, I will happily accept Taiwan’s system. Please read these sentence before you say something I can or cannot understand.
i was looking for wangs + all i got was this!
I am interesting about the argument, beacuase people from mainland China always say Taiwan is a part of China. Indeed, they will influence Taiwanese to reject that. Also, People from China or China’s goverments are silmilar Taiwan past 20 or 30 years ago. They must improve their systems and education of people. If mainland China is not war to Taiwan, most Taiwanese say Taiwan is independent. That Taiwan way to anywhere is made from all Taiwanese decided. It’s not people from mainland China. Everyone like freedom, so am I. Maybe 50 years later, China will be a rich and freedom country, it’s a time to merge to Taiwan and other countries like last empire’s land, Ch’ing.
Interesting, mate.
the formal name of Taiwan is [Republic of China], what’s the differentce to [People's republic of China]??? There are just two governments in a China, that’s it.
U must know ur “Country Father” “Sun Zhongshan”, I’m sure he thought that he is a Chinese, if ur “country father” Mr Sun thought he is a Chinese, why you don’t?
Don’t u mention how hard mainland Chinese treats to u Taiwan, please think about urself. How tough Taiwan treats to mainland China?
Stop thinking about that stupid issue, why don’t think about how to use Taiwan’s advantages to affect maniland China, let both to be better and better in different fields?
People saying that Taiwan should just suck it up and let China take over, you do realize that China is a communist country right? You do realize what it is like to live in a country like that without freedom? To be so against Taiwanese independence, then was it wrong that the U.S became its own country although American ancestors came from Europe?
Someone mentioned that the culture, language, skin color, etc is
the same but you honestly would not know this unless you lived in both countries. There are certain foods unique to Taiwan as well as the fact that Taiwanese people have their own “Taiwanese” language. If you were a native to either country, you could easily differentiate between mainlander and Taiwanese. That may not be enough of a reason to claim Taiwanese independence but why would any country want to be under a system that is communist vs. democratic? Although the ancestors originally came from China, do you realize that this dated back to the 1600s and how much time has changed since then? Other countries have all been born in this way in which their ancestors came from another country and populated a difference country.
When China took over, citizens of Taiwan were not allowed to speak Taiwanese but forced to speak mandarin in school otherwise they would be fined. Why would anyone want to live under a government that is not tolerant. It is also common knowledge that China censors many things in the media in order to suppress any type of opposition. Obviously things have progressed since then but the country is still fairly closed minded to change.
I don’t understand why China cannot simply let Taiwan be and for the many individuals living in Taiwan to return to China if they support China government so strongly. China has many internal problems especially with their population and the large amount of people who live impoverished lives. Why look towards Taiwan when they should be solving their own problems first and giving their own people voices to help build a better and more open minded China. The people who say “screw Taiwan, it’s part of China” why do you even care?! If you live under the communist system that you want, why would you even care if Taiwan was a part of that system or not? The people are so close minded that they cannot even accept another countries choice to be independent. And if China is going to claim Taiwan as the Peoples Republic of China, I do not see them supporting and helping Taiwan as they should if Taiwan is under their rule. When the earthquakes hit Taiwan, China literally ignored Taiwan and sent in very little help for a country they called their own.
To Dean and at first complaining about “where was the democracy” based on thinking that your messages were being blocked, why did you get so worked up about it when you’re basically arguing for China and their communist government. And do you THINK Taiwanese people really like having the Peoples Republic of China on their passports. Why do you think its there? Because we have no CHOICE and it HAS to be there.
Obviously I don’t think war is the answer and that for Taiwanese people to rebel would be insanely ridiculous since no one would recognize them and the people would not stand a chance against China. And truthfully, if China stood for Democracy, I would not be against the 2 countries becoming 1.
To say that economically, independence would have a negative impact on Taiwan would only be because China would close off their relationships based on spite and nothing else. And truthfully, what difference would it honestly make if Taiwan WERE a part of China?
People will always be proud of their own country and Taiwan should be left alone.
Thanks for the spirited post Love_Taiwan. There have been several waves of immigration from the mainland to Taiwan, the most influential of the lot being the Chiang Kai Shek / Chinese civil war migration. Although meant to be temporary, it wasn’t. Also, Taiwanese is Fu Qian Hua, from the Fu Qian province of China.
So interesting, Love_Taiwan thinks communism is very bad. Why? Can you give me a reason? Is it just because they have no freedom? To my knowledge, communism gave 5 billion people food, clothes and stable society. Democratic did not.
If you just think people under communism does not have freedom, you have not been in China. You do not understand what freedom means to Chinese people. It is true, the media and newspaper are under the control of government, and the internet is filtered by them too. But before you think this is bad, please consider it as a transition method. For now, stability is the most important thing if China mainland want to develop ecnomics. But for a 1.3 billion people country with a lot of poor people, many different cultures, stability will be very easy to be broken if government loses control.
If you learned some philosophy, you will know freedom is relative. Without a stable society, freedom is meaningless. Why Taiwan has a better freedom, I think the reason is obvious comparing to China mainland. Right now, for China, less freedom is better. In the future, when our economy becomes better, freedom will be better, which is everyone’s wish.
? So interesting to see Love_taiwan to say ” we have no choice to change the name of passport.” I do not understand. If you have enough freedom, and government is serving you. Why don’t you change it if you want to?
Also, I am wondering where you heard : ” when China take over, we will not be allowed to speak Taiwanese, and must learn mandarin in school. ” Do you think this is true?
If you have been in China, you will see this kind of worrying is ridiculous. We are allowed to speak whatever language we want to. But what is language, language is used to communicate. For differend province or even village, people speak different language. Mandarin is just developped to make communication between different place within China easier. If you do not want to communicate with Chinese, you can speak whatever you want. Chinese Government will not care about that. They got a lot of other things to care about!
So funny, I have never been fined due to not speaking mandarin. I speak local tone when I was in school. But if you do not learn mandarin, you can not communicate with people from other province.
Are Chinese close minded??? Please give me a reason why China has developped so fast if it is closed minded? Media control is to maintain stability!
I admit there is always someone want to say bad things about Taiwan. But I also see many Taiwanese say Chinese as Pig. Let’s leave that alone. If you want to solve problem, you got to respect each other.
I also do not understand why Taiwan want to be independent. Please tell me what better things independence will bring to Taiwan compare to the situation Taiwan is right now.
Where is your information ” China do not want to help Taiwan when the big earthquake hitted Taiwan ” come from? Do you think it is 100% true? Do you believe it? Have you researched about this event?
Do you think the Chinese government is stupid enough to lose a good opportunity to make a better impression among Taiwanese if they want Taiwan back? Do not trust media completely.
To my knowledge, even in Taiwan or U.S., some media is influenced or even controlled by government too.
I admit China has many internal problems. Does not Taiwan have? It is not logical to use this as a reason for independence.
I think deeply, Love_Taiwan fears poor, which I can understand, everyone fears poor. Let’s simple this problem. There are two brothers, one is poor, one is rich. They live in different place. Rich one lives in city, owned a chicken company, poor one lives in country,owned a farm produce chicken. One day, the poor brother asked the rich one if they can live together to cooperate to make each family lives better. The rich one frowned ( in Love_Taiwan’s opinion), said: ” No, you are poor and dirty, you will steal my money, forbid me to speak what I want to speak, forbid me to go to party, forbid me to make girlfriends, forbid me to eat what I want. and make my company looking bad and embarrass me. ” The poor brother said, ” No, of course not, now we have different family, I won’t go into your family to let you do something you don’t want to. I just think if we do business together, we can get more profit and beat your competitor. Also we both can have someone to help when bad guy want to rob us. Why not? We still will live separate life we like. ”
The rich brother still frowned:” No, I do not want to learn your language, I can beat my competitor myself even I will lose some profit. I will hire someone to protect me and my family. I will buy guns and missiles to protect myself. I’d rather to lose money and our brothership.”
The poor one is very sad: ” But can you still claim I am your brother? I will claim you are mine.”
The rich one said: ” No, you are too poor and I do not want to have a brother like you, I want a rich one! Do not come to see me again. Do not claim I am your brother, it is a shame. ”
The result is very sad. They don’t see each other again. They do not spend NewYear’s eve together as before when they were young. Their company and firm are still like before with out much development.
The End…….?
Why Taiwan should gain its independence… because it’s been an country for more than 50 hundred years… China has contributed nothing but the military threat so far.
Plus the indigenous Taiwanese people is from Pacific islands… not from CHINA and more than half of current Taiwanese people has inherited the blood-please study the Taiwanese history from 1600s before you argue.
And please respect the will for independence from other half Taiwanese people after a 50 year education in brainwashing Taiwanese people for national identity.
I was born and raised up in beautiful Formosa.
By the way, thanks for speaking up for Taiwan, admin as an objective non Taiwanese or Chinese born person. I respect every thought around this topic but don’t you think it should be left to Taiwanese people for final decision?
I do believe it should be left up to the Taiwanese people to decide and beyond that, I realize that I sure as hell won’t be asked to participate in that discussion. I made this post becasue I wanted to let people know a little bit more about Taiwan and why I feel that China is trying to ‘brainwash’ the world regarding Taiwan.
brainwash? can u check yourself if you are bainwashed? i am sure everyone is brainwashed by their government, no matter you are from taiwan or china. if you want, you can do a research about those news you heard is true or not. i am sure you’ll find a lot shady news report.
no need to argue anymore when you think every one who does not support taiwan’s independence was brainwashed. i think so called democratic in taiwan failed to show u how to look at this world correctly and respectively.
Oh clark clark clark.. I see you didn’t read my post too carefully. I don’t understand you though, you, who doesn’t even live in Taiwan, you’re so vocal about them. You live in China I gather, so why do you even care about Taiwan? Narrow minded.. don’t know where this “poor” thing came from or your ridiculous story I didn’t bother reading.. but oh boy, I won’t bother with your comments anymore. You are just too ridiculous to argue with as what I said was obviously misconstrued by you and misread as well. FYI, my FACTS are from living in BOTH countries and learning firsthand about peoples experiences. Are you even ABLE to research anything in that suppressed world you live in? I have nothing against China itself as my ancestors obviously came from there long long ago, but I would just like Taiwan to remain independent of ANY country. Calm down, you don’t even live in Taiwan, you’re not Taiwanese so why care if Taiwan wants its independence. It would not impact you in any way. And god, your story…. sigh. You are too amusing.
ha, yeah, I am sure not a Taiwanese. I am now living in US, born in China.
Maybe my story is just amusing for you, but my heart is hoping peace and developing between Taiwan and mainland.
I am not trying to convince someone, I am just trying to share my thoughts as you do . I am trying to show you that, beyond Taiwan, there is a world! Beyond your thoughts , there are other thoughts that may or may not help you. But how to find out better ideas? Listen to others! Talk with others!
Of course, the final decision belongs to Taiwanese people themselves!
omg i am laughing my ass off. people, you cannot reason with a person who is incapable of independent thought. Chinabounder is right. China will implode under the weight of it’s on multitude of “armies of instability.” This is about immaturity of thought and policies. China wants the world to respect it by “un-doing” everything that it considers to be “wrong” no matter what that might be, or what it takes to “correct” it. this includes Taiwan and Tibet. the problem is, their mentality justifies trashing the entire planet in order to achieve their goals. they talk high and mighty of “rapid development” while at the same time have not developed the minds of their own people. they spent billions on building the Olympic stadium but since the year 2000, the number of illiterate people has increased by 30 million, a margin greater than the entire population of Taiwan because the budget for education wouldn’t buy a single pencil for every student in the system. congratulations China – you got what you asked for: a country of childish, selfish people who cannot form thoughts on their own. that’s what mindless repetition of party policies does for a person. and oh yeah, we can tell a Chinese here any day, by their ignorant comments and actions, but in particular for their dis-interest in anything non-Han Chinese and their indifference to their fellow human beings. this is what sets Taiwan apart from Chinese. we are absolutely not the same people on either side of the straight.
i’ve asked this before, and i’ll ask it again: on what grounds is Taiwan a part of China? i want the actual political/scientific basis for that claim. i can tell you that Taiwan is not a part of China because (for one thing) the Treaty of Shimonoseki, where Japan acquired Taiwan to perpetuity. Taiwan has been independant of China since 1895. before that, Taiwan was a major PITA for the Ching, who wanted nothing to do with Taiwan. maps of that era make the point very clear.
so, what claim does the PRC have to Taiwan? i’d sure like someone to tell me, with cited references.
I am proud for Taiwan. The country is independent and NOT a province of China. It had seperated from China long ago. =D
CHECK OUT THIS VIEW: (this was posted by someone else, I just copy and paste)
“Taiwan is not a country, so of course it cannot become independent.
In order to explain this, let’s first consider the situation of the Republic of China on Taiwan. What is the status of the ROC on Taiwan? Is it the legal government of Taiwan? The following three facts are important:
1) A comprehensive examination of the historical record fails to find that any of the Allies recognized that the sovereignty of Taiwan had been transferred to the ROC on the Oct. 25, 1945 date of the surrender of Japanese troops. In other words, there was no “Taiwan Retrocession Day.”
2) In the post-war San Francisco Peace Treaty, Japan renounced all claims over Taiwan, but the ROC was not designated as the “receiving country.”
3) Additionally, the ROC National Assembly has never completed the procedures for the incorporation of Taiwan into ROC national territory as per Article 4 of the ROC Constitution.
The only possible conclusion is that the Taiwan is not part of ROC territory, hence the ROC government is not the legal government of Taiwan. Then, since the PRC bases its claims to Taiwan on the “successor government principle,” the PRC cannot be considered the legal government of Taiwan either !!
The One China Policy simply says that the PRC is the sole legitimate government of China. That is all that it says. In July 2007 the Congressional Research Service (CRS) published a report for the US Congress entitled “Evolution of the One China Policy.” In the Summary at the beginning of that report the following points were made –
(1) The United States did not explicitly state the sovereign status of Taiwan in the three US-PRC Joint Communiques of 1972, 1979, and 1982.
(2) The United States “acknowledged” the “One China” position of both sides of the Taiwan Strait.
(3) US policy has not recognized the PRC’s sovereignty over Taiwan;
(4) US policy has not recognized Taiwan as a sovereign country; and
(5) US policy has considered Taiwan’s status as undetermined.
In light of the above, the UN referendum is totally pointless and a waste of money.
According to the provisions of the post-war San Francisco Peace Treaty of 1952, Taiwan remains as an overseas territory under the jurisdiction of the military arm of the US government — the United States Military Government. In regard to Taiwan, the United States is the principal occupying power.
The position of the ROC in Taiwan is merely (a) a subordinate occupying power, beginning Oct. 25, 1945, and (b) a government in exile, beginning mid-December 1949.
Taiwan is not a country, and cannot be admitted to the UN. Taiwan is an overseas territory under the jurisdiction of USMG.”
I”M JUST TOSSING IN ANOTHER POINT-OF-VIEW… (not so sure if i agree with it yet. I need to do my own research too when i have time, but it sound pretty reasonable so far)
My personal view:
I WANT TAIWAN TO BE INDEPENDENT! TAIWAN FOR TAIWAN. TAIWANESE/FORMOSANS FOR TAIWAN. LOVER OF TAIWAN FOR TAIWAN. PRO-TAIWAN FOR TAIWAN.
Down with ROC! and.. PRC (I felt so sorry for the unfortunate chinese living under oppression)
It is funny that less and less people know Taiwan is a country now, because Taiwan can’t tell the world that Taiwan is a country. Otherwise China is going to bomb Taiwan. I have been staying in Canada for 7 years now, and I didn’t have much problems with the teachers here 3 years ago. However, more and more ESL teachers in the Universities here are telling their students that Taiwan is a part of China. Let says there are 16 students, and 10 from China, 1 from Korea, 1 from India, 2 from Japan, and 2 from Taiwan. How does that make the Taiwanese students feel? My sister was there, and the China students were laughing at my sister. She was so upset that she didn’t want to go to school after all. I always thought the teachers in Canada are well educated, but maybe the knowledge of the teachers are not so great nowadays. Teachers are the guidance of the students, but what would that effect the students when the teachers give out the wrong information. How sad…
What a bunch of craps !
# 7 : TW a last bastion of trad chinese ? What about HK and Macao ?
# 6 : A TW flag ? ts ts ts sorry guys it’s a Chinese flag, TW flag is the Nigerian one with a green spot in the middle. By the Way, HK and MC has their own flagas well.
# 5 : Currency ? HK and Macao has their own…
# 4 The Taiwanese Military ? Once again, it’s ROC’s army, I don’t to tell you what ROC’s “C” means…
As you guessed I’m TW but Chinese as well. I do not support TW independance as well (am not very worry about that thougt, it’s not gonna likely to happen)
OK. I usually prefer to remain calm about comments here but you are an idiot. I would prefer if you read the article and attempted to understand the meaning of the words that are written on the page…
My post was why Taiwan is independent, not Macao or Hong Kong. You’ve done little to refute any of the evidence.
The post says Taiwan is one of the last bastions of traditional Chinese. Taiwan does have a flag, and it isn’t China’s flag. They may both be red but they are different. I won’t address your # 5. Taiwan or ROC military. You’re trying to argue semantics here and doing a piss poor job. I hope there aren’t many more Taiwanese like you or Taiwan is doomed.
I have a few friends from China and whenever they talk about the Taiwan and China issue (or pretty much any other issue), they always regurgitate the same Chinese government propaganda. And when I try to dig deeper into their opinions, they are never able to give a logical cohesive argument. It seems like a lot people from China simply and blindly believe what their government tells them… well they have little choice with state controlled media, no free speech, censored internet.
What’s more surprising is that a lot of Chinese people that are living outside of China still prefer to read and believe their own media. They completely discount any non-China media, especially when it reports news that undermine China or the Chinese government.
you guys just not understand what is country means, country is a kind of orgernization of politics. you wanna be independent, so what? you are still a humen. acturelly, there are lots of stupid people in our world, especially patriotism. we are all the human, no matter chinese, taiwanese, france, american. right? now we are classified into different countries due to developing human. but no day we will be a union called human when some day we can travel into deeper space.
i love every people who are kindhearted other than ever. politics is evil leading people to do something. acturelly, our natures should lead us do. you may not understand, just thingk about what you acturelly are““just some carbon and water
@wayne
I agree that we are all humans, but I disagree on your naive view on countries and governments. Government plays a major role in the citizen’s lifestyle. Compare citizens of North Korea to those of Canada for example.
Some people want Taiwan to be independent because they do not want to loose their liberty, free speech and freedom of information. China’s government still enforces oppressive restrictions on its citizens and brainwashes them into believing it is for their own good.
Totally agree with wayne. It’s all politics. I just can’t see much good about politics, be it Canada, North Korea, USA, etc..
But sadly wayne, I’m sure your ideal world (which I agree) wont happen. Cos it’s all about people wanting power over the people, be it North Korea, Canada, USA, China, etc… At the end of the day, like what u have said, we are just some carbon and water.
Not all governments are bad. There are a lot of benevolent politicians. It is sad that sometimes when a past government performs badly or makes a few mistakes it taints future governments. Politicians are not omniscient, they are humans and do make mistakes. The decisions they need to make are truly difficult. However, there are some governments that only want power. I hope one day soon they see past that and not let something like the Tiananmen Square massacre repeat itself.
i am sick and tired of clueless chinese people talking about things that they have “learned” that comes directly from their governments mouth. everything they say is a carbon copy of what is published in their government mouthpiece newspapers and state controlled TV propaganda. The internet is heavily censored, which most chinese seem blissfully unaware of or even don’t care about, foreign satelite TV channels are illegal for them and almost all information they know is spoon fed to them directly from their fascist government.
i really like the ordinary chinese people, i find them kind and curious and quite down to earth but i cannot talk with them in depth about anything because they are blinded by propoganda and ignorance and refuse to believe anything that come from the rest of the world because “mummy” says it’s not true. wether it’s taiwan, tibet, xinjiang, chairman mao, tiananmen square etc etc etc
wake up chinese and see your government for what it is and not what “mummy” wants you to see it as. or alternatively continue with your “ignorance is bliss” attitude. it’s not the rest of the world china. it’s you.
obviously, ShangQian is NOT a Taiwanese name. Only Chinese people use “Q” as a phonetic alphabet; it sounds like “ch” in their translated system. Don’t pretend you are a Taiwanese, Shang”Q”ian. that looks stupid.
I have to agree with CY that governments play a crucial role in everyone’s lives. The point of having a government is to avoid anarchy. Next you say that that we are classified into different countries when we are all the same. I would have to say wrong because of one thing which is culture. Every country has a culture that makes them unique hence why everyone doesn’t use a fork and spoon and not everyone believes in the same thing.
As for the Taiwanese independence I don’t think it will hurt them economically as I would have to say show proof or shut up. I can’t say much for culture as I am not Taiwanese or Chinese.
Just to save the energy of guessing my background, I was born and raised in Taiwan, and am I now living in North America. I have met a great many of Chinese people, and excluding those who are extremely patriotic, most of them were very genuine and friendly. We got along and we try our very best to tolerate the different opinions. I do however, notice the differences in culture, and when I mean culture, it is referring to the values and concepts, fashion trend, accents, and even the choices of words in Mandarin. Although we understand each other, but we don’t really “click” because there is an existing gap in terms of our values and way of communication. And how does that relate to the main topic here? Well, I can’t really picture myself “united” with them. Don’t get me wrong here – I respect China and I won’t ignore the fact that my ancestors were from there. I love studying the ancient Chinese history; I believe Chinese is a beautiful language and I’m very glad that I was able to learn the traditional style. However, Taiwan is the place where I was born, raised and educated. I love Taiwan. To be honest, it is hard for me to actually feel anything when it comes to China. Because to me it just seems so far away.
I just wanna say that I’m with you and I recognize Taiwan as a real nation, as a country!!! I’m from Europe but now I’m leaving in Japan and here I met lot of Chinese and I don’t like them very much, but I also met some Taiwanese and they are 10 times better then the Chinese!!!
So yay for Taiwan!!!!!!
i am a Taiwanese. There was a survey(the topic is “are you taiwanese or chinese?) in taiwan indicating that over 70 percent people in taiwan think we are taiwanese instead of chinese. So i think everyone should respect our though and choice.
guys am doing an asssignment here on Taiwan,can u plz help me by telling me is it independent on not,if not nwhy?
It is independent but china says it isn’t. Very complicated.
TO CLARK DEAN:
What if I offer you RMB $10,000 but had to take away your Last name? Would you agree to that?
Business opportunities is not the biggest part of this situation. The missle threat from across the strait is.
So if I ask you, if I had a gun point at you, and ask you to give up all your fortune, would you agree?
Maybe you will do it for the money, but many won’t.
Taiwan really should be independent!!
Taiwan Really should be Independent from China, since Chiang Kai Shek founded Taiwan on the belief that they should waste the Communists. Taiwan its own country and they shouldn’t be bullied by China because of it, since China doesn’t have the guts to say that Taiwan isn’t a country but only deny its existance. China is a really big, fat, bully!!!
Taiwan Independence!!!!
Good Luck to Taiwan in maintaining its independence! Consider the simple facts of allowing people their natural right to achieve their own established goals of economic freedom.
Average annual income in Taiwan (denominated in U.S. $)
$30,194
http://www.worldsalaries.org/taiwan.shtml
Average annual income in China (denominated in U.S. $)
$3,029
http://www.worldsalaries.org/china.shtml
Percent of total population living below the poverty level
(according to the United Nations Development Council http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_percentage_of_population_living_in_poverty)
China 28%
Taiwan 1.8%
Looks like the Taiwanese People have taken pretty good care of themselves without an oppressive governmental system. And logic would suggest Taiwan may be an uncomfrtable reminder of what unoppressed people can do and this may be too much for the communists to bear.
Vive l’Indépendance!!
Thanks for the links. Good stuff.
I think all oriental countries want independence from each other, in fact it’s a historical recurrence. I don’t get just where it will take them, independent to the point of each individual owning their own private island?
All oriental countries do have independence from each other. They are countries. Taiwan is the exception. They are independent, but interdependent as well.
Taiwan should remain independent from the PRC. The best fact being that the PRC’s focus is not truly on economic development for the benefit of its people but for the benefit of the People’s Liberation Army, which it continues to finance on a level relatively similar to the U.S. Government and its military. The PRC is not a bad country, but the Communist Party of China which actively seeks to deteriorate world peace so China can reclaim its old image before the “One Hundred Years of Humiliation” at the hands of Western Empires. What is the point of this? The CPC also claims to be not want Hegemony, allow Taiwan to hold Democracy, allow Hong Kong Democracy, allow Macao Democracy and give Tibet limited Autonomy. However, the CPC is also best exemplified as a liar bent on its own interests. The CPC is taking advantage of the world out of pure selfishness. The CPC is abusive to all people it deals with, including all Han Chinese.
If the CPC gains Taiwan they will only turn it into a military outpost similar to Hainan Island, and only for the reason of power projection, for resources and not to solve interior problems. So if the PRC was a Democracy? The problems directly related to the CPC would be cured, such as government accountability and a true need to listen to the people, in comparative analysis to the U.S. Democracy I find it effective but purely in operation, consider that the U.S. was the first country to have a president, nowadays everyone wants presidential rule, Democracy IS the next step in all government. The CPC is Communist, the PRC is Communist is it more effective now? No, there is WIDESPREAD corruption within the PRC, and its not even a free choice Democracy but possesses this state sponsored corruption, is that responsible? How about the Government owning most of the country’s industry? Allowing bad loans to hurt the economy? This isn’t even a totally free market economy yet the CPC is failing in ways similar to Soviet Russia in later periods except in supporting democratic reform to maintain its domination.
In Conclusion, Taiwan should maintain Independence because the PRC would do nothing but ruin it for the sake of militaristic gain, no matter what, War between the two nations (Taiwan and People’s Republic of China) is inevitable because the People’s Liberation Army and thus Communist Party Of China due to the relation between the “Party and The Gun” view reunification as “the sacred mission”. Taiwanese will not surrender their beautiful nation (aesthetically, socially or politically)to a Party that views itself greater than all forces on Earth, including that of nature, lest they become another ambition of the PRC to attain Global Hegemony and commit the same acts of Colonialism they condemn for being committed against them